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Kamatsu · Nov 28, 2005, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Hi,

I've done some reading around and not found the answer to this.. so hoping someone here might have an idea about it or can point me in the correct direction (and please, no comments about asking about this kinda thing in a game forum.. LOL).

I have a family member wanting to upgrade the OS on their comp from Windows 98SE to Windows XP-Home.. and when pricing XPH there is 2 different products on offer - the full retail version or a "upgrade" version which happens to be half the price of the full version..

What I wonder about is.. is this XP upgrade version anything like what MS did in the past with the 98 upgrade CD? I remember years back when 98 came out they offered the full retail version.. as well as a 98 "Upgrade" CD.. and funny thing is you could use the UPG CD as a full install CD (and again it was half the price...).. so you could install everything from scratch using the UPG CD without needing 95 installed (like they claimed.. hehe)..

Makes me wonder if the XP UPG works the same way - can you install off a clean system with just the UPG CD rather than having to pay a bloody rediculious amount for the full retail version? (and no, OEM isn't an option..)

If not, has anyone got any comments about iinstalling the XP UPG over a pre-existing copy on 98SE? I really don't want to do that .. as that's messy and yucky and I'd prefer a full clean install.. and I don't believe I've ever heard of a MS "Upgrade" like that working very smoothly or cleanly anyways...

kerosene · Nov 28, 2005, 04:07 AM // 04:07

i belive its not the full install only Service pack upgrade :P but nice try....

but one thing you should remember, if this is an older pc, xp might not work....too...uh whats the word
BUGGY...but good luck

...

i edited this

one more thing, get pro not home, for the fact that you can put it on as many pc's as you want without having to buy a seperate liscence for each :P

cannonfodder · Nov 28, 2005, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Well if you do get an XP upgrade, you dont even need to keep your old OS on your PC, you can totally reformat. However you have to have the old installation disk. Because when you insert the XP upgrade to install it'll ask you to insert your previous OS disk, it does this to verify that you have a previous OS, after that a full reformat and then install, pretty easy.

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Originally Posted by kerosene

one more thing, get pro not home, for the fact that you can put it on as many pc's as you want without having to buy a seperate liscence for each :P

Sorry but your wrong, one PC one license, regardless wether it's home or pro, where on earth did you hear that?, The only real difference between home and pro is the advanced networking tools you get with the pro version. Stick with Home its cheaper...

Sorry for this but what you posted made me laugh....

Pharoke · Nov 28, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

It is indeed like the ME 98 thing. If you wipe the disk, and start the XP upgrade install it will ask you for the win98 or whatever disk. I have the XP Pro upgrade disk and have reformatted in re-installed about a dozen times now (God I hate upgrading). It works fine installs everything, just looks for a specific file (can't remember which one) from the 98, ME, 2000 cd.

HOXMAN · Nov 28, 2005, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by kerosene

one more thing, get pro not home, for the fact that you can put it on as many pc's as you want without having to buy a seperate liscence for each :P

That's only w/ Corporate Editions

kerosene · Nov 28, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Sorry but your wrong, one PC one license, regardless wether it's home or pro, where on earth did you hear that?, The only real difference between home and pro is the advanced networking tools you get with the pro version. Stick with Home its cheaper...

Sorry for this but what you posted made me laugh....

Are you serious? who the hell did u hear that from, i know for a fact you can use pro on multiple machines and home on just one, home connects through internet and doesnt allow you to use 2 same cdkeys as for pro it doesnt matter, and if you want to argue this ill freakin bring a microsoft technician who taught me all i know and tell you himself

Kamatsu · Nov 28, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

kerosene - amazing then how the Microsoft EULA for Windows XP only permits *one* installation. The only exception would be with Microsoft employee's themselves who would likely have a right to install the same copy at home & work, but that's an exception.. the norm is only 1 copy allowed and for every other computer you want to install on you need a seperate license to do so - at least as long as you recognize the EULA as being a fully legal document.

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Originally Posted by http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/eula.mspx

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of this EULA:

• Installation and use.

You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Product on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Product may not be used by more than two (2) processors at any one time on any single Workstation Computer. You may permit a maximum of ten (10) computers or other electronic devices (each a "Device") to connect to the Workstation Computer to utilize the services of the Product solely for File and Print services, Internet Information Services, and remote access (including connection sharing and telephony services). The ten connection maximum includes any indirect connections made through "multiplexing" or other software or hardware which pools or aggregates connections. Except as otherwise permitted by the NetMeeting, Remote Assistance, and Remote Desktop features described below, you may not use the Product to permit any Device to use, access, display or run other executable software residing on the Workstation Computer, nor may you permit any Device to use, access, display, or run the Product or Product's user interface, unless the Device has a separate license for the Product.

•Storage/Network Use.

You may also store or install a copy of the Product on a storage device, such as a network server, used only to install or run the Product on your other Workstation Computers over an internal network; however, you must acquire and dedicate an additional license for each separate Workstation Computer on or from which the Product is installed, used, accessed, displayed or run. A license for the Product may not be shared or used concurrently on different Workstation Computers.

Thanx to everyone who's answered here, been a great help thanx!

cannonfodder · Nov 29, 2005, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by kerosene

Are you serious? who the hell did u hear that from, i know for a fact you can use pro on multiple machines and home on just one, home connects through internet and doesnt allow you to use 2 same cdkeys as for pro it doesnt matter, and if you want to argue this ill freakin bring a microsoft technician who taught me all i know and tell you himself

I used to work as a telephone tech support for microsoft in the uk, so believe me I do know what i'm talking about.. So umm YOUR WRONG............

Kamatsu mate, microsoft employee's get no special treatment, nothing for free.....

Mod's, thanx for merging my post, sorry about double posting

kerosene · Nov 29, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

erm, you guys are wrong install home edition on 2 pc's then install pro on 2 pc's and tell me which work

koneko · Nov 29, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Well if you do get an XP upgrade, you dont even need to keep your old OS on your PC, you can totally reformat. However you have to have the old installation disk. Because when you insert the XP upgrade to install it'll ask you to insert your previous OS disk, it does this to verify that you have a previous OS, after that a full reformat and then install, pretty easy.

Just wanted to add that this only applies to an actual "retail" installation disc, not a "respawn" CD provided by the manufacturer that simply re-images the drive.

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Originally Posted by kerosene

erm, you guys are wrong install home edition on 2 pc's then install pro on 2 pc's and tell me which work

Sigh. Read kamatsu's post again where the EULA was quoted. Especially the bolded parts. Sure, you can install the operating system onto another machine, it just doesn't mean that you can use it (both in the legal and activation sense).

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Originally Posted by kerosene

i know for a fact you can use pro on multiple machines and home on just one, home connects through internet and doesnt allow you to use 2 same cdkeys as for pro it doesnt matter

...yarr, me mateys, someone be using a pirated VLK and installation CD, then, if that be the case! Arrr~

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Originally Posted by kerosene

and if you want to argue this ill freakin bring a microsoft technician who taught me all i know and tell you himself

Elle oh elle roffle le mayo? :|

cannonfodder · Nov 29, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

Kerosene, you are quite amusing, admit your wrong please.....

As mentioned above you can install a corporate edition of xp pro on multiple machines, as this does not need ACTIVATING or have the 30day contdown timer. Me thinks your confused. The EULA does not lie. You must have a corporate version and a volume license key, which you are not allowed to have, you can try, and you will be able to install XP home or Pro onto multiple machines. They will work until you try to activate or download updates, neither which you will be able to do, as the product key is already in use. Then once the 30days warning is up your buggered...

Look only you insist your right, all other posters know what you say is wrong.. admit defeat.

Edit Koneko, your right, but what you mean at the start of your post is about recovery disks/cd, lets not confuse Kerosene more, as this is a whole different kettle of fish....

Kerosene, I have both home and pro editions of XP, sure I could install each on two different pc's, one home would activate, one pro would activate. The others would not. Explain this then "why does my OEM version of XP pro require activating???, oh it's the same as all the other version apart from corporate versions.. Sorry now i'm bored, your WRONG, everyone else seems to agree also...

koneko · Nov 29, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Edit Koneko, your right, but what you mean at the start of your post is about recovery disks/cd, lets not confuse Kerosene more, as this is a whole different kettle of fish....

I couldn't think of the proper term for it before, so I just called it "respawn disc" xD

:|

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Explain this then "why does my OEM version of XP pro require activating???, oh it's the same as all the other version apart from corporate versions..

Actually, the OEM copy of XP that came bundled with my ThinkPad didn't ask about product activation, nor does it ask when I re-image it. *shrug*

kerosene · Nov 30, 2005, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Kerosene, you are quite amusing, admit your wrong please.....

As mentioned above you can install a corporate edition of xp pro on multiple machines, as this does not need ACTIVATING or have the 30day contdown timer. Me thinks your confused. The EULA does not lie. You must have a corporate version and a volume license key, which you are not allowed to have, you can try, and you will be able to install XP home or Pro onto multiple machines. They will work until you try to activate or download updates, neither which you will be able to do, as the product key is already in use. Then once the 30days warning is up your buggered...

Kerosene, I have both home and pro editions of XP, sure I could install each on two different pc's, one home would activate, one pro would activate. The others would not. Explain this then "why does my OEM version of XP pro require activating???, oh it's the same as all the other version apart from corporate versions.. Sorry now i'm bored, your WRONG, everyone else seems to agree also...

i have 7 machines 3 are windows and 4 are linux, i can install pro on all 3 machines activate and update at same time and it wont give me an error

Narada · Nov 30, 2005, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Another little tidbit of advice: If you choose to reformat for your XP installation, I'd recommend using NTFS instead of the FAT32 file system.

Oh, and cannonfodder is right.

cannonfodder · Nov 30, 2005, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Originally Posted by kerosene

i have 7 machines 3 are windows and 4 are linux, i can install pro on all 3 machines activate and update at same time and it wont give me an error

Read above it will let you put all versions on multiple machines, It's illegal and against the EULA, plus the fact that if you reinstall more than 3 times, you have to call microsoft to activate for you, do that with 2 versions already activated and they will not activate for you. They can tell how many times a cd key has been activated and in operation...

EDIT - Cheers Narada, although according to Kerosene, he has the same version of Xp Pro on 3 machines and its legal...hehehe